Provisional Results for Race Two published

05 August 2010

Provisional Results for Race Two published

Now that Race Two of the Tall Ships Race has finished the provisional results are as follows, however they may be subject to change. The results cannot be finalised until all ships are in port and have handed in their declaration forms to be scrutinized by the race committee.  The fleet should be in port by 12:00 noon on Saturday, so final results will then be published on Saturday afternoon.  Any changes to the provisional results will be published here as soon as they are apparent.  

Race Two overall, provisional and on corrected time:

First – Wyvern (Norway)
Second – Jolie Brise (UK)
Third – Sorlandet (Norway)

Class A, provisional and on corrected time:
First – Sorlandet (Norway)
Second – Christian Radich (Norway)
Third – Mir (Russia)

Class B, provisional and on corrected time:
First  - Wyvern (Norway)
Second – Jolie Brise (UK)
Third – Tecla (Netherlands)

Class C, provisional and on corrected time:
First  - Dar Szczecina (Poland)
Second  - Black Diamond of Durham (UK)
Third – Spaniel (Latvia)

Class D, provisional and on corrected time:
First  - Endorfina (Poland)
Second - Hansa (Spain)
Third – Lietuva (Lithuania)

To view the full list of provisional placings, click here

Many vessels are heading into Hartlepool this evening and tomorrow.  Expected arrivals are as follows:

Stad Amsterdam (Netherlands) – Thursday pm
Stavros S Niarchos (UK) – Thursday pm
Eendracht (Netherlands) – 18:00 Thursday
Sorlandet (Norway) – 18:00 Thursday
Alexander von Humboldt (Germany) – 09:00 Friday
Christian Radich (Norway) – 11:00 Friday
Kapitan Glowacki (Poland) – 12:00 noon Friday
Mir (Russia) – 12:00 noon Friday
Pogoria (Poland)  - 12:00 noon Friday
Tenacious (UK) – 12:30  Friday
Wylde Swan (Netherlands) – 12:00 noon Friday 

Pic:  Jolie Brise, who led the race from early on but was pipped at the post by Wyvern

View tracking via satellite on The Tall Ships Races 2010 (updated two-hourly - please note this is a pilot system and not all vessels are currently showing up on the system. For a full update of positions please refer to the tracking and placing links below). 

To see more images from The Tall Ships Races, click here.

The Tall Ships Races, presented by Szczecin and organised by Sail Training International.

 

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Khajidu Report as offensive

Saturday, 07 August 2010 10:48 AM


The thing is, there was more wind during a good part of August 4th. This allowed all the ships to get faster (the Class A ships, which I followed more closely, for example, did more that 10 knots at some time, whereas they were oscillating around 3 knots during the rest of the race), and it might have allowed Endorfina to catch up during the night. If I look at the speed averages, it looks like Endorfina would have spent the last 24h of the race at 6.5 knots on average, which looks possible with the conditions at the time. Looking more closely, we can find that an average of about 10 to 12 knots for half a day, which is not impossible (even the Class A ships did it), would have been enough.
Besides, I never heard of an engine for a ship that small going at 12 knots... only the bigger Class A ships have such engines. Ships Hansa's and Endorfina's size have engines that can go at 3 to 5 knots, not more. So, what would be the trick?

Tio Anton Report as offensive

Saturday, 07 August 2010 9:38 AM


Khajidu,
Your comments are very welcome. It´s perfectly understandable that a fast, well trimmed and manned boat has to give some advantages to the less gifted ones. But, and some "buts" arise, when the fast boat finishes the race, this fact is known to the rest of the fleet still racing, and there is only an issue of a quick calculation for masters/owners to know the time they must counterbalance to win on corrected time, either by legal or less acceptable means. In race updates 5 and 6, Hansa had already finished and was leading on corrected time, with Endorfina second and well behind. Race report 7 stated Endorfina was first and Hansa second.Please note that I´m not saying that the polish boat made use of unscrupulous means, but the fact is that they completed the last miles to go at a speed they did not reach during the previous days,and this has risen more than one eyebrow. 

Khajidu Report as offensive

Friday, 06 August 2010 4:54 PM


Hello,
As your questions are related, I'll answer to both in the same post. Spitfire, you ask why Sorladet won the race, although Mir finished first. This is due to their ratings being so far apart (Sorlandet has 0.56 and Mir 0.72 if I remember correctly) that Mir would have had to finish very far ahead to win (for example, if Sorlandet finished in three days, Mir would have to finish at least 16 hours before to win).
Tio, your question is very much related. Hansa's rating is so high (1.13 and almost 50% higer than Endorfina's) that Hansa would have had to finish a whole day ahead for every two days of racing. Hansa raced for three days, she would have had to finish almost a day and a half before Endorfina. From the final results, Endorfina would have needed to finish five hours later to lose her rank
I admit some rating differences are huge (some ships have very high ratings, whereas others' is very low) and it might make it look like the low-rated would just have to show up to win

Tio Anton Report as offensive

Friday, 06 August 2010 12:42 PM


Hansa was first across the line, and Endorfina arrived almost 24 hours later. Now Endorfina leads the classification on corrected time (class D) by some 3 hours. I´m ignorant on the intricacies of corrected time calculations (TCF etc.), and, therefore, I´ll grateful to anyone explaning how many hours must Hansa "give" Endorfina, i.e. the d.h.m.s. must Hansa arrive before Endorfina to win also on corrected time. It seems that there are vessels that could win on corrected time simply by crossing the start line, and I´m not exagerating.
Thanks in advance.

Spitfire Report as offensive

Friday, 06 August 2010 9:01 AM


Hi there,  Would it be possible for someone to let me know which Class A ship was first in Race 2 - was it Sorlandet?  As it looked on the tracking system that Mir was the winner. 
Any clarification appreciated.
Thanks